This is the interview of Batskin in a nationalist radio program. I translate it from Francais to English with the help of net translater, so, you will confuse in some points because the 'bad english' but i thing mostly are good and very interest. Enjoy!
I let you present. yourself
My name is Serge, everyone knows me more commonly, and it is also why I believe that I am interviewed today, under a nickname Batskin, which was in any case and I still have a little. I have a little over 40 years. I have been around the street since 1982, it's been 26 years, so we can say that I learned to know and understand it.
At first, I would like to go back in the 80s, when and how did you decide to shave your head?
It's quite complex, it happened in two stages, there is an intrinsic part to me, which is based on my education and the second is after some events. For education, my mother is a civil servant, my father was a civil servant, my grandfather did both wars, he refused to swear allegiance to Petain, he got involved in the Free French Forces after the war, he continued to fight in Germany. He had visited Germany in 1935, but it did not stop him from defending his country in 1940. My uncle, when the Germans entered in Paris, found that France was disgraced and so he was, he than committed suicide. My father did the war of Algeria. My grandfather was a free thinking, my great grandfather was a hussar of the Republic, he was a teacher. We are coming directly from the Republican Socialist thinking 30 years, and my mother was elderly, she was born in 30’s, this is the kind of education I received. So this is for the background. Otherway for the events, I was in England in the early 80s, I met some skins there that I sympathized with. Back home, I decided that as soon as I would have the physical capacity, I would be a skin. Musically it attractive, I discovered at that time The Clash and Sham 69 and then the rest was done gradually.
What it meant to be for you skin?
Well it is a mixture, that is not without interest, there are still some punkitude, well I know that some won’t agree, but many still come from there, not me ironically. There is also a part of provocation, in the way we dress, in our attitude and our actions. Violence is a way of expression but also a provocation. Just as different attributes, pins and other badges that often accentuate our way of thinking.
What memories you keep? The best and worst? Regret?
I remember especially have walk a lot, all day long, all night long, going from one place to another, laughing with my friends. Not a lot of money, a lot of friendship. Those are good memories. The bad is the repeated custody, we have laughed too. I have not really bad memories, because with time the memory erases all the bad ones and all that remains are the good ones, so I always smile when I think about it.
And now does it still represent something for you, the boots and the shaved heads?
Well I’m over forty years now, I do not deny what I was and I do not reject the skins. If a skin is attacked somewhere, I feel solidarity, but in the perception of the 80’s, a skinhead provocative, violent, fighter, patriot and nationalist.
Do you still listen do some skinhead bands from the time?
Yes, still a little, Skrewdriver and some bands like that. Skrewdriver because I met the singer, which is not sufficient to appreciate the group but it personalize it, but also because I find it musically achieve. That band was an evolution of the skinhead movement. Of course there is the Cockney Rejects that I still listen with pleasure, Blitz, Violators, but mainly Skrewdriver because it's really an evolution. It is an excellent singer and the group is not bad. From that time there is also Combat 84 that remains, at least the 1st album, because I recently heard the last one, I find it hard to follow.
And in France, what kind of relationship you had with groups in Paris at the time? Evil Skins, Tolbiac Toads?
Tolbiac Toads, we followed all concerts, besides our two crews were united enough. I was in St Michel, them, of course, came from Tolbiac. We were doing many action together but after a while we separated because the personality of the singer of Tolbiac's Toads did pleased us. I enjoyed the time when we were strict, we did not accept homosexuality. Upmost when kids were involved so we went our separated ways
You still see guys of Evil Skins today?
No. I saw P’tit Willy for a while but that's all. Occasionally I meet Bertrand (Evil Skins manager), but he is now so far away from Evil Skins today that you can’t say I meet anyone from the band.
What you listen now?
Unfortunately with time, I have less time. More time passes, the less one has the time, we have more time and after it's over. If I listen with pleasure Dropkick Murphys, this movement there is all that remains to be technically developed. The other I know not. After the groups present R.A.C does not like me. I never liked the German R.A.C, the R.A.C has never French passionate. There are some groups that are good English as the two albums that Stigger did with the singer of Brutal Attack. I listen again, but Brutal Attack itself, no. I am not passionate.
You have made many passages in television ‘80’s years, do you able to effectively defend your ideas and your vision of the movement skin?
Contrary to what people think the move to television was a revolution and a victory is the great victory of skin movement in France. So of course I'll say that megalomaniac because I saw myself, but you still need the next morning, take the subway with the crowd that you have rarely heard and admired! So it's not as megalomaniac, it may have a few balls. It was a voluntary because he had to storm the only media we could have, television, by provocation by violence. It was really a necessary tactic. It is what it was a real victory because we got our goals.
This reputation not television that you have not made friends, including the nationalist camp, how you live it, to be so hated by some? And how you explain it you?
For the same reasons I did not deserve to be neither admired by some and hated by others but simply to be understood. But it is much more difficult. Those who admired are about the same as those who admire Paris Hilton for other reasons, it is not exciting. I'm just someone who has the floor, no more, what was admirable was the attitude of all the world and that I was the visible face of the iceberg. For those who hated me, there was I think a part of jealousy by saying, why do not we? They did not understand that it was me because that's done so well and needed someone to do it, it was me and not them too bad he had to admit. It said it was the tree that hides the forest, it is true, it should see no prospect of movement in personal perspective. This is the problem of skin movement, it's much too many people for a mass movement. The big reason is this. And then there was a nationalist revolutionary discourse, not necessarily who liked everyone. Some were more in caricature and provocation, the triumphant national socialism, while others had more patriotism in a good tone and the them it boring too.
You know of course the eternal reproach to you the left and right, on your social, your origins (eg in your notice at Wikipedia). I have never heard express publicly on these issues, nor deny or confirm, why you let this space to the urban legend?
For several reasons. We will take the most flattering, which is that the reputation is a Greek god that acts by itself. For the old classics, it is the Gods who are about me. If I am, I have the same approach, I peddling my ideas, I'm the low propaganda and I do like those who have blogs, myspace, who tell their life all day long. I do not need to tell my life and I live on the commentary. It is this approach a little pretentious and heroic, that explains it. Then why discuss and endless quibbling? Those who want to mark that the mark is to denigrate, attack, lets do it. I think it gave me all the origins of the earth and only if I was French, simply? That may be why I am fighting for this country there can be. It was said that my family was the major bourgeois? I am from Bagnolet, I was filmed in front of my building with my neighbor Samira, buildings were 18 stories, it turns, there is nothing the big bourgeoisie. Bagnolet is not really close to the sixteenth arrondissement. My mother was a servant, an honest civil servant therefore an official poor. Like everyone else. No more no less. I come from the middle class and I am quite proud, it gave me some education, having the time to read and it gave me an easy word, it served our ideas. It takes everything in a world, we need warriors, workers, intellectuals, businessmen, engineers, it's called a nation. Otherwise it's called political classes and the class struggle, this is not what prevails at home.
What is for you the experience in JNR?
For me, it's a good experience because it remains. It talks about it often, it madailleurs surprised that after 15 years I speak of JNR. For many in one camp or the other is a reference. So it proves that our image, our strategy was good representation.
I think in France we were one of the most structured. And everybody recognizes. Ideologically it was the first to have a specific ideology skin. Not inspired by National Socialism or any particular allegiance, we tried to have our own ideology, to leave the beaten track. Was removed from a dictionary ideological, a political program, it was even presented as JNR in elections, as the National Front or anything but ourselves. And it's all a success.
What are they JNR remained essentially Parisian gang?
At that time there were three types of skins. The skin, Parisian suburb of skins and skins of the province, and were often opposed to each other. I remember the skin suburbs was often friction with us, Legion 88 has suffered the wrath. Province and even we were not included. We had a more street, they had at the time by chance, fewer problems on a daily basis, so they took us more for that rogue nationalist fighters. They found over time that the street life and was a survivor, not just ideals. It does not live in an ethereal world, the real world constraints. I think it was really the difference.
Have you seen the blog of Kim and DVD on hunters skins? Is what it seems in line with your memories of the time?
To be honest I flew over the blog of Kim, because he perceived spelling totally foreign to me. I have huge trouble to read a line and it is closer to the esoteric concept of the French. Otherwise I was translated. I think it's humor, because when we read, and not because they must decipher, but once you translate, you want to laugh! I find it a bit of the legend for children between five and seven years, those who do not really read and have an imagination, where they do not distinguish between reality and fantasy. This happy period where we do not know if you have dreamed, or if you have lived the events. So he made a Kung Fu Shaolin monastery, see ben, ben oui with Kwai Chang Caine! With Carradine, surely! This is the time, he had to see the series, but it was not and he is really the big difference. It was made for "small beetle". I think that's good fun. I remember just having crossed once and actually having slapped. There is nothing unusual, no flying dragons, no installation of pelican gas, not none of that was trivial.
He was how old at the time?
Oh, he is younger than me, he must be 19 years old when I slapped him. But I have known long ago, when he was a skin, in Third Way with us in the Young Guard. This is where he discovered, contrary to what he says in his DVD, humorous, and the Para boot bombers because it was skin, skin de Segur, he can remember.
So at the time it was nationalist?
Ah yes! A Third Way! He was cast because he did not, it allowed him to be Ducky Boy, to be discarded because it did not therefore become Red Warrior, that is why he made a sum of bands. A man is not appropriate all the bands, he made a tape.
Continue with the end of ‘80’s years, your rival Julien Terzic.
But stop it right away, it was not a rival I have not known! The Red Warriors were disbanded a while. We hear at all, and we started to hear about when to stop. It was not a band we hear, this is not true. I heard about in the late 80s, around 88-89, I have personally exploded Jeff, Nano, what is there still such guys in his band? It's nazes. They have resumed if the idea, if you type on the internet, so they speak for themselves, we are far from the famous original. Their DVD is they who speak for themselves, it's easy. I are the police reports, journalists, those who testified against me, the victims, who speak of me. Them is themselves. So we were promised back in the band should be cut ears, cut fingers, good fun. It always feels when a five / seven years, but I invite all skins and those who know to look in the street the number of skins that lacks ears ... or when they have not hunted much or they have dreamed a lot, but all in all, everyone in his ears and everyone at his fingers! Ha ha ha! This is ridiculous.
What do you think of the clashes that continue to oppose the young red skins nations and on behalf of their respective mythologies?
Look, frankly, it's always better if he took drugs, it is better to fight it employs. In any case when you have eighteen years, you cannot do anything other than to learn the life, you learn it as that. But it is obvious that if I am asked an opinion on the Redskins, I think they represent about thirty people on the Ile de France, is about 10 million people meet the proportions right of itself, it represents nothing, it is an epiphenomenon. Moreover, I have a room, the door is open, it's ridiculous it all is nothing, it's gangs of kids. Really, the Redskins, in a word is two adults, fifteen, seventeen, kids. You see on the street is closer to the rape of the armed band. One wonders whether the two adults in forty years, with these pre-pubescent young teens, pink, well shaved, plump buttocks are not pedophiles! Ha ha ha! What really interested in these young people? Me in their shoes I would be ashamed, I would take out in specialized areas, but not in the street! They could get caught by the police or parents unhappy! Must be careful, it is currently not joking with that, we can get them to Thailand, I saw there is an Englishman, he took! Whether gaffe, well I say it for them.
We will leave the skinheads, after you have attended the middle biker 1%, and dragged your gaiters on the planet, it's a little vague artistic this time of your life, you want to reveal a corner?
It's easy for me after a while, the skin movement, it did not, it stagnated. I made the analysis that what I enjoyed most in all this is freedom. And I felt that freedom cannot progressed much in our ideals, the spirit of freedom of course. The power to say no, to say, cause is freedom. This is one of the main qualities of skin movement, contrary to popular belief, this libertarian side almost in the literal sense of the word, which is very poorly understood. After a while I could not feel well, so I went to a movement that seemed a movement of freedom, the biker movement, here. After I went abroad I went to El Salvador, I mounted a casino. Then I lived in Japan where I worked for an art gallery, I made a lot of things of course I lived in Russia, Lithuania, where I was involved in import and export of clothing. Meanwhile I was director of night, I held a bar, etc. I lived.
It is no secret, you have known the prison, how did you experience this?
It is true that when we speak of freedom prison may seem an oxymoron! But when we truly seek freedom, the system may send you to prison, you do well to understand that freedom is already walking in the street. Paradoxically, it was a very good experience. It allowed me for 9 months where I was, thinking to take back from analyzer and exiting on the right foot, not menferrer in what I thought I was good. It allowed me to have other perspectives etc. So jail for some it is good, at least for me
This is the redemptive prison then?
Exactly, ca ma fait du bien.
You want to redo your life elsewhere, virgin of any image, but you're finally back to France why?
By filial feeling. My mother is old, it really helped me in my childhood, she trained and supported in my youth, anyway, so it's up to me to return to it now. It is both a duty and a pleasure. This is essentially why I came back in France with my mother 78 years is very selfish to take advantage of it.
Do not you think that you are trapped in the collective imagination the image of Batskin? Is this an obstacle or a force in your projects?
I would be Asian is this helping, there are brakes in each force and vice versa. In evil there is, in the good there is evil, it is never clear. It clear that I remain for many, a sort of gross skin, it can be a hindrance, but people know me is a strength, some m'apprecient, others less, but at least I exist. And this "Batskin" it's me, so I do not see myself I would be a hindrance to myself. That's me and I fully assume. Although it may sometimes seem simplistic.
Let's talk a little of this, you were returned to the scene by opening a Parisian bar rock'n'roll "garage" at Oberkampf you finally closed to open a local association, why the return to politics? And why continue with this commitment in the nationalist camp?
First, I remain in the nationalist camp, because it is obvious, not because I stopped advocating that I disowned my ideas. And at any time when you asked me my ideas around the world, if I asked elsewhere, I answered that I had not changed one millimeter. I have never denied that I was, I changed like everyone else, only the cons that do not change, but this development is still based on the same principles, I deepened my principles I do not ais scanned. This is the first step. Then I came back ten to fifteen years after opening a bar rock'n'roll, thinking that I was forgotten, and these morons of leftists, found nothing better than a press campaign against me and my bar, and there they made a mistake. Because if some are afraid of falling and a tone, I thought to myself "Well m'emmerder even my friend, are you going to m'emmerder right! It was the first reason, if you tell me that there is a bar fascist, yes, and then? If you want to set the theme as well, too bad for you. The second reason is that, as it became a fascist rock'n'roll bar for them, my old friends have returned, thanks to learning what I came back! So I thank them, it has doubled or tripled my clientele!After a while I had a number of proposals, which interested me, for my political and philosophical, so I engaged, I stopped the "garage", and I open "local" keeping the same customer, I always thank the leftists!
The space you had started with George Orwell, what are the elements of convergence to pushed you closer to him?
As I said in its summer school, these ideals are the skins of 80 years, you've made twenty years to think like a skin, it's still slow, I thought the skins were not intelligent I see there is still more cons. Indeed the nationalist revolutionary approach that we had in our subjects, they take up, so I can not qu'acquiescer to what I have done is the first point. And then, in fact, and it can not deny it, among the most nationalistic skins there were also some mixed, some kabyles few Eurasian, as of Martinique at Le Havre, in short, people from different backgrounds and varied who fought with conviction. And there was a fraternity that grew around it. Then is when I spoke to E & R for reconciliation between people of different backgrounds who love France, I say yes, we had practiced it. So Soral merely theorize what we knew. In ours the ideals were much more important than all, as now. Anyway, there has always been good fraction of skins of foreign origin in nations. Of course, I was talking recently with a friend who was Headhunter, who said that they had a skin (among others) among them, once they heard his name because he was called, and he was a Pakistani name . The guy asks him "ben t'es Pakistani? Why do you we have never said "the skin and responds" yes I am Pakistani, but you've never asked! And the skin was covered with tattoos provocative, they are fed up and it made no difference. The same skin Pakistani national, was given recently to a reporter a photo of a friend of him, totally black, wearing a white T-shirt, marked with black above "White Power" and the arm. He tried to explain to this journalist, who did not want to not believe that it was the 2 Tone. All skins, whatever their origin, were nations in 80, and was with conviction and provocation, and there has always been, one can not deny the obvious. I am a pragmatist a realist, I do not wish to fight with us, their faith, and I do not see why I spit on a man who is voluntary and believe.
To return to Sorrel you eventually take over all your independence, why?
For the same reason, it is his only idea, and I do not think you can develop a program based on the unique idea that resource nationalism is immigration. There may be a percentage of assimilation, but it is not a program on a percentage of a percentage. Because immigration is a percentage of France, and the immigrant who feels French, ready to fight for France, it is still a small percentage of this immigration. Whether we accept, yes, but this is not the main theme. I think that is the mistake of Equity and Reconciliation Commission is to focus all that. They are right, but not because it is much more complex. And in addition to many nations it is not easy to ask those at the table today they fought yesterday.
You do not know that the new mayor of Rome, elected under the label National Alliance, has long been a fascist, sentenced 17 times for assault and battery, continued to display a Celtic cross around her neck every day , what does it inspire you with a course like that?
I was in Rome during the election campaign, I saw the posters with the Celtic cross on a white flag, the red that had stuck to try to stem the black tide, it has done much laugh, and I am simply saying that Italy is a land of freedom. I do not see why we should accept people who have killed 100 million people because they are communists, who are most intolerant and not accept others that are the foul beast. There is no foul beast, there are people who have programs, we vote for or against, that's all. In the Nordic countries that are much more democratic, and Italy show the world that even the Latin may be Democrats. Ultimately there is a country of intolerance, it is our beloved country. I am not to ban the Communist Party, I am for anything that would prohibit, I am for freedom of expression.
It is up to your libertarian approach.
That, exactly, I do not forbid the Trotskyists or anarchists if I were in power, I prohibit anything, I let the whole world the right to speak and it is the man free to choose. That's all.
We will have gone around, is there a question you would have liked that I raised you?
Well may be, what is the purpose of this room? Let's go. This place is meant to be a point of attachment, a place of meetings, open discussions around trends all who love our country. It is still an area of freedom, ecumenism, because qu'al'heure now say they love their country, is already dangerous. I hope people will finally be able to meet, discuss, understand and converge to points together. Well, thank you for taking the time to meet me.
I let you present. yourself
My name is Serge, everyone knows me more commonly, and it is also why I believe that I am interviewed today, under a nickname Batskin, which was in any case and I still have a little. I have a little over 40 years. I have been around the street since 1982, it's been 26 years, so we can say that I learned to know and understand it.
At first, I would like to go back in the 80s, when and how did you decide to shave your head?
It's quite complex, it happened in two stages, there is an intrinsic part to me, which is based on my education and the second is after some events. For education, my mother is a civil servant, my father was a civil servant, my grandfather did both wars, he refused to swear allegiance to Petain, he got involved in the Free French Forces after the war, he continued to fight in Germany. He had visited Germany in 1935, but it did not stop him from defending his country in 1940. My uncle, when the Germans entered in Paris, found that France was disgraced and so he was, he than committed suicide. My father did the war of Algeria. My grandfather was a free thinking, my great grandfather was a hussar of the Republic, he was a teacher. We are coming directly from the Republican Socialist thinking 30 years, and my mother was elderly, she was born in 30’s, this is the kind of education I received. So this is for the background. Otherway for the events, I was in England in the early 80s, I met some skins there that I sympathized with. Back home, I decided that as soon as I would have the physical capacity, I would be a skin. Musically it attractive, I discovered at that time The Clash and Sham 69 and then the rest was done gradually.
What it meant to be for you skin?
Well it is a mixture, that is not without interest, there are still some punkitude, well I know that some won’t agree, but many still come from there, not me ironically. There is also a part of provocation, in the way we dress, in our attitude and our actions. Violence is a way of expression but also a provocation. Just as different attributes, pins and other badges that often accentuate our way of thinking.
What memories you keep? The best and worst? Regret?
I remember especially have walk a lot, all day long, all night long, going from one place to another, laughing with my friends. Not a lot of money, a lot of friendship. Those are good memories. The bad is the repeated custody, we have laughed too. I have not really bad memories, because with time the memory erases all the bad ones and all that remains are the good ones, so I always smile when I think about it.
And now does it still represent something for you, the boots and the shaved heads?
Well I’m over forty years now, I do not deny what I was and I do not reject the skins. If a skin is attacked somewhere, I feel solidarity, but in the perception of the 80’s, a skinhead provocative, violent, fighter, patriot and nationalist.
Do you still listen do some skinhead bands from the time?
Yes, still a little, Skrewdriver and some bands like that. Skrewdriver because I met the singer, which is not sufficient to appreciate the group but it personalize it, but also because I find it musically achieve. That band was an evolution of the skinhead movement. Of course there is the Cockney Rejects that I still listen with pleasure, Blitz, Violators, but mainly Skrewdriver because it's really an evolution. It is an excellent singer and the group is not bad. From that time there is also Combat 84 that remains, at least the 1st album, because I recently heard the last one, I find it hard to follow.
And in France, what kind of relationship you had with groups in Paris at the time? Evil Skins, Tolbiac Toads?
Tolbiac Toads, we followed all concerts, besides our two crews were united enough. I was in St Michel, them, of course, came from Tolbiac. We were doing many action together but after a while we separated because the personality of the singer of Tolbiac's Toads did pleased us. I enjoyed the time when we were strict, we did not accept homosexuality. Upmost when kids were involved so we went our separated ways
You still see guys of Evil Skins today?
No. I saw P’tit Willy for a while but that's all. Occasionally I meet Bertrand (Evil Skins manager), but he is now so far away from Evil Skins today that you can’t say I meet anyone from the band.
What you listen now?
Unfortunately with time, I have less time. More time passes, the less one has the time, we have more time and after it's over. If I listen with pleasure Dropkick Murphys, this movement there is all that remains to be technically developed. The other I know not. After the groups present R.A.C does not like me. I never liked the German R.A.C, the R.A.C has never French passionate. There are some groups that are good English as the two albums that Stigger did with the singer of Brutal Attack. I listen again, but Brutal Attack itself, no. I am not passionate.
You have made many passages in television ‘80’s years, do you able to effectively defend your ideas and your vision of the movement skin?
Contrary to what people think the move to television was a revolution and a victory is the great victory of skin movement in France. So of course I'll say that megalomaniac because I saw myself, but you still need the next morning, take the subway with the crowd that you have rarely heard and admired! So it's not as megalomaniac, it may have a few balls. It was a voluntary because he had to storm the only media we could have, television, by provocation by violence. It was really a necessary tactic. It is what it was a real victory because we got our goals.
This reputation not television that you have not made friends, including the nationalist camp, how you live it, to be so hated by some? And how you explain it you?
For the same reasons I did not deserve to be neither admired by some and hated by others but simply to be understood. But it is much more difficult. Those who admired are about the same as those who admire Paris Hilton for other reasons, it is not exciting. I'm just someone who has the floor, no more, what was admirable was the attitude of all the world and that I was the visible face of the iceberg. For those who hated me, there was I think a part of jealousy by saying, why do not we? They did not understand that it was me because that's done so well and needed someone to do it, it was me and not them too bad he had to admit. It said it was the tree that hides the forest, it is true, it should see no prospect of movement in personal perspective. This is the problem of skin movement, it's much too many people for a mass movement. The big reason is this. And then there was a nationalist revolutionary discourse, not necessarily who liked everyone. Some were more in caricature and provocation, the triumphant national socialism, while others had more patriotism in a good tone and the them it boring too.
You know of course the eternal reproach to you the left and right, on your social, your origins (eg in your notice at Wikipedia). I have never heard express publicly on these issues, nor deny or confirm, why you let this space to the urban legend?
For several reasons. We will take the most flattering, which is that the reputation is a Greek god that acts by itself. For the old classics, it is the Gods who are about me. If I am, I have the same approach, I peddling my ideas, I'm the low propaganda and I do like those who have blogs, myspace, who tell their life all day long. I do not need to tell my life and I live on the commentary. It is this approach a little pretentious and heroic, that explains it. Then why discuss and endless quibbling? Those who want to mark that the mark is to denigrate, attack, lets do it. I think it gave me all the origins of the earth and only if I was French, simply? That may be why I am fighting for this country there can be. It was said that my family was the major bourgeois? I am from Bagnolet, I was filmed in front of my building with my neighbor Samira, buildings were 18 stories, it turns, there is nothing the big bourgeoisie. Bagnolet is not really close to the sixteenth arrondissement. My mother was a servant, an honest civil servant therefore an official poor. Like everyone else. No more no less. I come from the middle class and I am quite proud, it gave me some education, having the time to read and it gave me an easy word, it served our ideas. It takes everything in a world, we need warriors, workers, intellectuals, businessmen, engineers, it's called a nation. Otherwise it's called political classes and the class struggle, this is not what prevails at home.
What is for you the experience in JNR?
For me, it's a good experience because it remains. It talks about it often, it madailleurs surprised that after 15 years I speak of JNR. For many in one camp or the other is a reference. So it proves that our image, our strategy was good representation.
I think in France we were one of the most structured. And everybody recognizes. Ideologically it was the first to have a specific ideology skin. Not inspired by National Socialism or any particular allegiance, we tried to have our own ideology, to leave the beaten track. Was removed from a dictionary ideological, a political program, it was even presented as JNR in elections, as the National Front or anything but ourselves. And it's all a success.
What are they JNR remained essentially Parisian gang?
At that time there were three types of skins. The skin, Parisian suburb of skins and skins of the province, and were often opposed to each other. I remember the skin suburbs was often friction with us, Legion 88 has suffered the wrath. Province and even we were not included. We had a more street, they had at the time by chance, fewer problems on a daily basis, so they took us more for that rogue nationalist fighters. They found over time that the street life and was a survivor, not just ideals. It does not live in an ethereal world, the real world constraints. I think it was really the difference.
Have you seen the blog of Kim and DVD on hunters skins? Is what it seems in line with your memories of the time?
To be honest I flew over the blog of Kim, because he perceived spelling totally foreign to me. I have huge trouble to read a line and it is closer to the esoteric concept of the French. Otherwise I was translated. I think it's humor, because when we read, and not because they must decipher, but once you translate, you want to laugh! I find it a bit of the legend for children between five and seven years, those who do not really read and have an imagination, where they do not distinguish between reality and fantasy. This happy period where we do not know if you have dreamed, or if you have lived the events. So he made a Kung Fu Shaolin monastery, see ben, ben oui with Kwai Chang Caine! With Carradine, surely! This is the time, he had to see the series, but it was not and he is really the big difference. It was made for "small beetle". I think that's good fun. I remember just having crossed once and actually having slapped. There is nothing unusual, no flying dragons, no installation of pelican gas, not none of that was trivial.
He was how old at the time?
Oh, he is younger than me, he must be 19 years old when I slapped him. But I have known long ago, when he was a skin, in Third Way with us in the Young Guard. This is where he discovered, contrary to what he says in his DVD, humorous, and the Para boot bombers because it was skin, skin de Segur, he can remember.
So at the time it was nationalist?
Ah yes! A Third Way! He was cast because he did not, it allowed him to be Ducky Boy, to be discarded because it did not therefore become Red Warrior, that is why he made a sum of bands. A man is not appropriate all the bands, he made a tape.
Continue with the end of ‘80’s years, your rival Julien Terzic.
But stop it right away, it was not a rival I have not known! The Red Warriors were disbanded a while. We hear at all, and we started to hear about when to stop. It was not a band we hear, this is not true. I heard about in the late 80s, around 88-89, I have personally exploded Jeff, Nano, what is there still such guys in his band? It's nazes. They have resumed if the idea, if you type on the internet, so they speak for themselves, we are far from the famous original. Their DVD is they who speak for themselves, it's easy. I are the police reports, journalists, those who testified against me, the victims, who speak of me. Them is themselves. So we were promised back in the band should be cut ears, cut fingers, good fun. It always feels when a five / seven years, but I invite all skins and those who know to look in the street the number of skins that lacks ears ... or when they have not hunted much or they have dreamed a lot, but all in all, everyone in his ears and everyone at his fingers! Ha ha ha! This is ridiculous.
What do you think of the clashes that continue to oppose the young red skins nations and on behalf of their respective mythologies?
Look, frankly, it's always better if he took drugs, it is better to fight it employs. In any case when you have eighteen years, you cannot do anything other than to learn the life, you learn it as that. But it is obvious that if I am asked an opinion on the Redskins, I think they represent about thirty people on the Ile de France, is about 10 million people meet the proportions right of itself, it represents nothing, it is an epiphenomenon. Moreover, I have a room, the door is open, it's ridiculous it all is nothing, it's gangs of kids. Really, the Redskins, in a word is two adults, fifteen, seventeen, kids. You see on the street is closer to the rape of the armed band. One wonders whether the two adults in forty years, with these pre-pubescent young teens, pink, well shaved, plump buttocks are not pedophiles! Ha ha ha! What really interested in these young people? Me in their shoes I would be ashamed, I would take out in specialized areas, but not in the street! They could get caught by the police or parents unhappy! Must be careful, it is currently not joking with that, we can get them to Thailand, I saw there is an Englishman, he took! Whether gaffe, well I say it for them.
We will leave the skinheads, after you have attended the middle biker 1%, and dragged your gaiters on the planet, it's a little vague artistic this time of your life, you want to reveal a corner?
It's easy for me after a while, the skin movement, it did not, it stagnated. I made the analysis that what I enjoyed most in all this is freedom. And I felt that freedom cannot progressed much in our ideals, the spirit of freedom of course. The power to say no, to say, cause is freedom. This is one of the main qualities of skin movement, contrary to popular belief, this libertarian side almost in the literal sense of the word, which is very poorly understood. After a while I could not feel well, so I went to a movement that seemed a movement of freedom, the biker movement, here. After I went abroad I went to El Salvador, I mounted a casino. Then I lived in Japan where I worked for an art gallery, I made a lot of things of course I lived in Russia, Lithuania, where I was involved in import and export of clothing. Meanwhile I was director of night, I held a bar, etc. I lived.
It is no secret, you have known the prison, how did you experience this?
It is true that when we speak of freedom prison may seem an oxymoron! But when we truly seek freedom, the system may send you to prison, you do well to understand that freedom is already walking in the street. Paradoxically, it was a very good experience. It allowed me for 9 months where I was, thinking to take back from analyzer and exiting on the right foot, not menferrer in what I thought I was good. It allowed me to have other perspectives etc. So jail for some it is good, at least for me
This is the redemptive prison then?
Exactly, ca ma fait du bien.
You want to redo your life elsewhere, virgin of any image, but you're finally back to France why?
By filial feeling. My mother is old, it really helped me in my childhood, she trained and supported in my youth, anyway, so it's up to me to return to it now. It is both a duty and a pleasure. This is essentially why I came back in France with my mother 78 years is very selfish to take advantage of it.
Do not you think that you are trapped in the collective imagination the image of Batskin? Is this an obstacle or a force in your projects?
I would be Asian is this helping, there are brakes in each force and vice versa. In evil there is, in the good there is evil, it is never clear. It clear that I remain for many, a sort of gross skin, it can be a hindrance, but people know me is a strength, some m'apprecient, others less, but at least I exist. And this "Batskin" it's me, so I do not see myself I would be a hindrance to myself. That's me and I fully assume. Although it may sometimes seem simplistic.
Let's talk a little of this, you were returned to the scene by opening a Parisian bar rock'n'roll "garage" at Oberkampf you finally closed to open a local association, why the return to politics? And why continue with this commitment in the nationalist camp?
First, I remain in the nationalist camp, because it is obvious, not because I stopped advocating that I disowned my ideas. And at any time when you asked me my ideas around the world, if I asked elsewhere, I answered that I had not changed one millimeter. I have never denied that I was, I changed like everyone else, only the cons that do not change, but this development is still based on the same principles, I deepened my principles I do not ais scanned. This is the first step. Then I came back ten to fifteen years after opening a bar rock'n'roll, thinking that I was forgotten, and these morons of leftists, found nothing better than a press campaign against me and my bar, and there they made a mistake. Because if some are afraid of falling and a tone, I thought to myself "Well m'emmerder even my friend, are you going to m'emmerder right! It was the first reason, if you tell me that there is a bar fascist, yes, and then? If you want to set the theme as well, too bad for you. The second reason is that, as it became a fascist rock'n'roll bar for them, my old friends have returned, thanks to learning what I came back! So I thank them, it has doubled or tripled my clientele!After a while I had a number of proposals, which interested me, for my political and philosophical, so I engaged, I stopped the "garage", and I open "local" keeping the same customer, I always thank the leftists!
The space you had started with George Orwell, what are the elements of convergence to pushed you closer to him?
As I said in its summer school, these ideals are the skins of 80 years, you've made twenty years to think like a skin, it's still slow, I thought the skins were not intelligent I see there is still more cons. Indeed the nationalist revolutionary approach that we had in our subjects, they take up, so I can not qu'acquiescer to what I have done is the first point. And then, in fact, and it can not deny it, among the most nationalistic skins there were also some mixed, some kabyles few Eurasian, as of Martinique at Le Havre, in short, people from different backgrounds and varied who fought with conviction. And there was a fraternity that grew around it. Then is when I spoke to E & R for reconciliation between people of different backgrounds who love France, I say yes, we had practiced it. So Soral merely theorize what we knew. In ours the ideals were much more important than all, as now. Anyway, there has always been good fraction of skins of foreign origin in nations. Of course, I was talking recently with a friend who was Headhunter, who said that they had a skin (among others) among them, once they heard his name because he was called, and he was a Pakistani name . The guy asks him "ben t'es Pakistani? Why do you we have never said "the skin and responds" yes I am Pakistani, but you've never asked! And the skin was covered with tattoos provocative, they are fed up and it made no difference. The same skin Pakistani national, was given recently to a reporter a photo of a friend of him, totally black, wearing a white T-shirt, marked with black above "White Power" and the arm. He tried to explain to this journalist, who did not want to not believe that it was the 2 Tone. All skins, whatever their origin, were nations in 80, and was with conviction and provocation, and there has always been, one can not deny the obvious. I am a pragmatist a realist, I do not wish to fight with us, their faith, and I do not see why I spit on a man who is voluntary and believe.
To return to Sorrel you eventually take over all your independence, why?
For the same reason, it is his only idea, and I do not think you can develop a program based on the unique idea that resource nationalism is immigration. There may be a percentage of assimilation, but it is not a program on a percentage of a percentage. Because immigration is a percentage of France, and the immigrant who feels French, ready to fight for France, it is still a small percentage of this immigration. Whether we accept, yes, but this is not the main theme. I think that is the mistake of Equity and Reconciliation Commission is to focus all that. They are right, but not because it is much more complex. And in addition to many nations it is not easy to ask those at the table today they fought yesterday.
You do not know that the new mayor of Rome, elected under the label National Alliance, has long been a fascist, sentenced 17 times for assault and battery, continued to display a Celtic cross around her neck every day , what does it inspire you with a course like that?
I was in Rome during the election campaign, I saw the posters with the Celtic cross on a white flag, the red that had stuck to try to stem the black tide, it has done much laugh, and I am simply saying that Italy is a land of freedom. I do not see why we should accept people who have killed 100 million people because they are communists, who are most intolerant and not accept others that are the foul beast. There is no foul beast, there are people who have programs, we vote for or against, that's all. In the Nordic countries that are much more democratic, and Italy show the world that even the Latin may be Democrats. Ultimately there is a country of intolerance, it is our beloved country. I am not to ban the Communist Party, I am for anything that would prohibit, I am for freedom of expression.
It is up to your libertarian approach.
That, exactly, I do not forbid the Trotskyists or anarchists if I were in power, I prohibit anything, I let the whole world the right to speak and it is the man free to choose. That's all.
We will have gone around, is there a question you would have liked that I raised you?
Well may be, what is the purpose of this room? Let's go. This place is meant to be a point of attachment, a place of meetings, open discussions around trends all who love our country. It is still an area of freedom, ecumenism, because qu'al'heure now say they love their country, is already dangerous. I hope people will finally be able to meet, discuss, understand and converge to points together. Well, thank you for taking the time to meet me.
